Labour's Deputy Leader on how losing weight has lifted his 'brain fog', his fears when confronting Rupert Murdoch, and how he could now be 'taken out' by a former friend. This is an edited version of a conversation recorded earlier this year for the Radio 4 podcast, Political Thinking with Nick Robinson. Episodes of the podcast can be downloaded from https://www.bbc.co.UK/programmes/p04z203l/episodes/player Producer: Peter Snowdon
